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Project Wonderful WishList

It's been a while since we've done this, but I thought it'd be a nice idea to get everybody's Most Wanted features together.

The Project Wonderful staff do lurk on PWT every now and then, so maybe by discussing what we'd like to see, we can actually make it happen.

Here's my top ten. Feel free to add to the list - you can comment anonymously by passing a CAPTCHA test, use your LiveJournal or Blogger.com login, or make an account for Project Wonderful Talk and join the discussion!


1. Semi-Automatic Bidding
The Campaign system has taken over a lot of the bidding for small sites. That's good, because it allows advertisers to spend lots of money very easily, and give the little guys a boost. It also makes the bids on smaller sites go up and down like yoyos, causes a lack of long-term bids, and leads to enormous fluctuations around the start of the month when everybody's campaigns expire and then get re-created. Perhaps a semi-automatic alternative would go down well.
For example, there could be a checkbox next to each ad slot on the search results page, which would add the chosen slot to a shopping cart. You could then place identical bids on each and every marked result, by filling out just one form.
Or, you could make one bid before you search, and then click a button marked "Bid on this ad box with parameters from your last bid."

2. A search for text-based ad slots
As it is right now, you can't search for ad boxes that support text ads only. I think the radio buttons on the search page need to be changed to check boxes - one for text ads, one for graphic ads, both checked by default.

3. Extended support for free ads, and the end of "Your Ad Here."
What I'd like to see, ideally, is no more "Your Ad Here" boxes. Project Wonderful's support for free adverts is truly wonderful, but does anybody still use them now that the Campaigns system eats them all up for us?
The Your Ad Here boxes seem like a waste of good pixels that could be used more effectively. Here's some ideas:
A) Extending the Campaigns system to allow free bidding, rationed out evenly between everybody using it for that purpose.
B) Replacing "Your Ad Here" with a randomly-chosen advert from the system, and crediting the ad box owner with an impression of a nominated ad on someone else's ad slot. Thus, your ad box serves the role of a banner exchange until someone puts in a bid. Banner exchanges have sucked in the past and will continue to suck, but they're better than "Your Ad Here."
C) An option to remove the ad box entirely from the page if there aren't any bids. Thus, skyscrapers with content above and below would disappear entirely, allowing the content to jump up from below.
D) An extended limit on free ads. Having a two-day limit on free advertising is all well and good, but it's not much use if there aren't any more ads queued up to display afterwards, and results in a "Your Ad Here" of no use to man nor beast. Maybe an ad could be "immune" from being outbid by other zero-dollar bids for one day, but would then carry on displaying until another bid came along.
E) Continuing on from above, there should be a simple button on the bidding form that says "Forget the details, just place a free bid - with ONE CLICK, BABY!" The free bid would be immune from other free bids for one day (or maybe two), and then would be able to be outbid by other free bids - but you wouldn't have to specify when it ended, and the system would assume you meant "Until Outbid."
F) Continuing further - why not extend that to paid bids too? If a bid is placed for a week's worth of advertising at a penny a day, and then it expires but the only bid beneath it is a zero-dollar bid, the previously-paid advert should take on the zero-dollar winner status, and carry on being displayed for free until another bid is placed.

4. A "Pause" button
If my account runs out of money, I don't want it to climb back up to a buck over a day and then run out of cash ten minutes later! Ten minutes of advertising is very little use, no matter how widespread. A simple "Pause my campaign" button would be much appreciated - and how about a "Pause all my bids" button, too?

5. Seperate reporting options for each ad box
I would really like to know how much each individual ad box has made for me, how the bids have fluctuated, and so on. I like to know how well each site performs, how much money I can expect per thousand visitors, who clicks on which ads et cetera, and while AdSense will give me that data to geek over, Project Wonderful will not. Which brings me on to number six:

6. Division of funds
I'd like to be able to seperate the money in my account between money to spend, and money earned.
I know that when I deposit a hundred bucks into my Project Wonderful account, it's all going to get spent. That's fine with me, Project Wonderful delivers by far the best return on investment advertising-wise. However, I also run several sites with PW advertising on them, and I'd like to be able to see the money coming in, and keep it seperate from the money going out. At least until the start of the month, when I'll probably just end up moving it into my To Spend balance.

7. CSV Export
I'd absolutely love to be able to press a button and get a snapshot of the current state of the market, in a format which I can import into OpenOffice (or upload to a set of custom PHP scripts running on a server somewhere) and dick around with. If we had a CSV export facility, or if Project Wonderful spat out a database dump once every hour, or couple of hours, or even once a day, how long d'you think it'd be before somebody came up with a snazzy Flash/AJAX frontend for sorting the data, identifying the bargains, showing the movers and shakers?
Export of my own activity within PW would also be a wonderful thing to have, complete with cross-referenced CPC and CPM per bid, so I can study the data and perfect my bidding strategies.

8. Multiple ads per bid
On ad boxes that don't require approval, I'd like to be able to submit two or three different ads in the same bid, and have them rotated with each impression. Statistics could then be generated on which ads get more clicks in the exact same spot on the exact same site, which would be very useful.

9. Optimisation options in Campaign settings
As it is, Campaigns won't place bids on all the boxes that they could place bids on. In mails to Ryan, he's mentioned that he's doing some behind-the-scenes tweaking in the hope of giving Campaigns better value for money, which I think is a good idea. However, I'd like to have some control over the automatic bidding process myself - maybe even in the form of a simple slider between Exposure and Value. With the lever all the way over to the right, the campaign would bid only on the ad boxes with the absolute best CPM, trying to give you better value for your advertising dollars. On the left, it'd simply bid indiscriminately across all the boxes that came up in the Search results when you set up the campaign, getting more clicks but costing more for each one.

10. Options to group ads together, and link those ad groups with ad boxes
For publishers and advertisers with more than one website, this would make it easier to see how each site is performing. You'd get a page that said "You've spent $(dollars).(cents) advertising (project or website - group name, in other words), using (num) different ads, and here's how each one of them has performed." Link the ad group with an ad box (or group of ad boxes) and you'd get a page like the one above, but which also said "And you've made $(dollars).(cents) back, from these (num) ad boxes, and here's how much each particular one has made."
More reporting is always good - and all this data is already in the PW system, it just needs to be sorted and presented.


Those are my ten Most Wanted features for Project Wonderful. What are yours? Comments are enabled - speak up, and let's make it happen!
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Project Wonderful WishList
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, November 08 2007 @ 10:50 PM GMT
I think you have a lot of good ideas here, but the one I most wholeheartedly support is item 3, particularly points A, D, and E.

A) When I place campaign bids I use a minimum views per day variable - I don't want to risk spending money on a site that only gets maybe 5 views a day, and asking me to manually identify those sites to disinclude them from my campaign removes the convenience factor. If I could place $0 bids with campaigns, I'd be searching for all pages regardless of views, which helps out the webmaster hosting the box in the long run.

D) I'm not ashamed to admit that I hunt for free ad spaces - my website doesn't attract a lot of visitors, nor do my ad boxes generate much revenue, and my current financial situation (college student!) means that it's not really profitable to spend a lot of money on advertising. I could in theory "chain duplicate" my free 2-day bids and simply set them to start and end at later dates, but this is time-consuming and also feels a little disingenuous, even if I maintain that a filled free adspace is better than an unfilled one. Extending free bid periods (with Joe's proposed tweaks) sounds fairly win-win to me.

E) Similar to the above - a one-click button to place free bids would be much more time-efficient for the bidder and possibly take some stress off the PW servers (depending on how many middle steps/pages can be removed from the bidding process in such a fashion).

One thing I've noticed on my adboxes is that when I have the following two factors:
a. an NSF bid, and
b. an empty zero-dollar adspace,
it frustrates me that the NSF bid doesn't just fill the space. if I know that this bidder is willing to spend money on my space, I'm not going to complain of them taking a free slot while nobody else is bidding! It's my understanding that NSF status pauses all bids, and it makes sense on adboxes where money is being spent, but it makes less sense to me on a free adspace.

#6 on Joe's list also seems a good suggestion to me. (Well, a lot of them do, but I see it as immediately useful for my needs) ;)

-J. Holden

Project Wonderful WishList
Authored by: Kit on Thursday, November 15 2007 @ 08:19 PM GMT
Things I would like to see:
  • Historical click through information. That is, if I'm looking to place an ad on a site it would be nice to have some idea how many click throughs other ads is this same ad box received. That would allow me to better price my bids.
  • The javascript code for the adbox should calculate where on the screen the ad is shown, left side, right side, off the right of the browser. Need to scroll/Don't need to scroll, etc. This stuff should all be filterable so that I can design a campaign that will only choose ad boxes that are shown to the user without them having to scroll to see them. I'm just waiting for someone to create a button box on a high traffic page that is off the right of the user's screen. It would likely get a lot of campaign bids, but sure would not get many click throughs. One big thing that is stopping me from spending more on campaigns is the fear that I'll spend money on poorly placed ads that don't get me much traffic. The more control I have over my campaign the more I'll be willing to spend on ads there.
  • Performance sucks, and needs major work. I even see delays in page loads sometimes which drives me nuts. I don't want my ads slowing down my page loads.
  • I'd like to add a little code to my ad landing page so that when PW is showing me clicks on the ad it can show me actual click throughs. I am MUCH more interested in users who click through and actually wait for the page to load rather than click and bail. I can track that through other means, but it would be nice to see it is PW as well. It is real click throughs that I can about.
-- Kit
Project Wonderful WishList
Authored by: Caveman Joe on Friday, November 16 2007 @ 11:52 AM GMT
Historical click through info: Ryan and I talked a little about this a few months ago. While on the surface it seems like a good idea, and would probably lead to more people optimising their pages so that their ads got more clicks, it could also have the unintended side-effect of making the whole system more incestuous. Lemme see if I can find the mail, so I can go back through the train of thought at the time...

Ah, yeah. Here we go. I suggested making more of an issue out of CPC/CTR to Ryan, had a little think about it, then mailed him again saying "Ignore that, I didn't think it through properly." What would end up happening in the long run just didn't sound very cool:
* Publishers would want as low a CPC as possible, so click on their own ads.
* Ryan would then change the variable to Unique CPC instead.
* Publishers would put up big signs saying "Please click on my ads, people!"
* Ryan would be forced to respond with a new rule saying "No encouraging others to click on your ads!"
* Ryan turns into Google.

Also, to take an example from real life:
* HostingForAQuid gets fewer clicks than any of my other ads, probably because it's blatantly commercial and has nothing to do with comics. The presence of an HFAQ ad on any given website would drive up its average/historical CPC.
* Some publishers might even disapprove my ads, because they'll end up with a higher CPC. This is bad for me, and bad for other advertisers, particularly those trying to run a non-webcomic-related business.
* We'll then see more webcomic and blog adverts, and fewer business-related adverts, which is the exact opposite of what we want right now. There would be a non-wonderful situation all around.

Clicks depend so much on the ad being displayed that making CPC a searchable value would be misleading. But, how about if each advertiser had a historical cache of which sites got the best CPC for any given advert? That'd be better, since it'd be more relevant to each advertiser, hence more accurate. Perhaps this could even be expanded upon in the future, so that the campaigns system could give an educated guess as to which adverts would do well on which sites based on their historical performance with each ad.

Ad placement:
I'm not sure how this would work given that there are so many different screen resolutions to think of. Perhaps this could be made an interactive thing - maybe ad boxes could receive a marks-out-of-five rating for placement, by real human beings, and then that would be searchable.

Performance:
Yup. It sucks slightly less than it used to, but it still sucks.

Visitor tracking:
There's a very rudimentary system available to do this with your own server-side software - see the "Bid Preferences" menu (scroll to the bottom of the "My Bids" page). I think this needs to be integrated into Project Wonderful itself rather than left to our own software - perhaps by working on a simple (to begin with, anyway) version of Analytics, PW would have another bite out of Google's pie. Or, PW could join forces with Clicky analytics and cut a deal with them somehow.
Project Wonderful WishList
Authored by: flo on Saturday, December 08 2007 @ 05:51 AM GMT
I've seen performance increase lately, but it could just be because I usually go on late at night.

As for my wish list I've already mentioned the total Earned and total Spent in previous forum posts, as a handy feature.

Also I think Publisher's should have an option to allow $0 bids to stay on the site for more than two days if it doesn't receive any new bids. This would prevent blank ad space especially on the small sites that don't get many hits or advertisers, and it would give a freebie to advertisers for more than 2 days. Of course as soon as a new bid would be placed, no matter the value that old advert would be gone. All of this would be optional of course at the discretion of the publisher's. I for one prefer having a zero bid on my site rather than the "your ad here" blank space.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, December 16 2007 @ 11:06 PM GMT
I just started with Project Wonderful, coming from a blogads background. I think PW should really take a long hard look at how Blogads does some things and apply that to their model. While I hate blogads, and think PW can definitely take over, blogads definitely has a lot of power behind them.

Right now PW is still mainly oriented towards the webcomic crowd, but I really hope that changes a bit more soon, and I'm certainly going to do my part to get it to do so.

In general I haven't noticed any server issues, though the service in general seems a tiny bit slow - lag between an approving of an ad and when it shows up, etc. I'd like to see that reduced.
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